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		<title>By: ad contrarian</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>ad contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wishing that advertising would disappear will not make it so. The idea that advertising is dead is absurd. Anyone with eyes can see that we are inundated with advertising. Every wall, dry cleaning bag, urinal, t-shirt and taxi cab is covered in advertising. The idea that all this is going to be replaced by "content" is infantile. Better hang on to that job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishing that advertising would disappear will not make it so. The idea that advertising is dead is absurd. Anyone with eyes can see that we are inundated with advertising. Every wall, dry cleaning bag, urinal, t-shirt and taxi cab is covered in advertising. The idea that all this is going to be replaced by &#8220;content&#8221; is infantile. Better hang on to that job.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>General differences was in regards to mass consumer behavior and opinion, your reference to age was in regards to who is more credible in this debate, you or I.e If our goal with this post was to get people to believe our opinion or prediction, then use it would be devaluing the blogosphere, however our goal was instead to start a conversation and get people thinking about content as an alternative. Were we bold and over the top in how we said it? Sure, but it got your attention didn't it? Can you tell me you never thought about it, for a second, even if it was in an effort to disprove me?

Look at any report of online marketing spend growth compared to traditional media, and there are your numbers right there.

http://www.marketingvox.com/execs_unhappy_with_marketing_moving_spend_online-022016/
http://www.marketingcharts.com/interactive/study-conversational-marketing-to-become-the-mainstream-by-2012-2065/

Not to mention SEM spend has reached over $12 Billion for 2007.  Studies show that people trust organic results in search over paid 10 to 1...  This is a trend that has and will continue to grow. The numbers prove it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>General differences was in regards to mass consumer behavior and opinion, your reference to age was in regards to who is more credible in this debate, you or I.e If our goal with this post was to get people to believe our opinion or prediction, then use it would be devaluing the blogosphere, however our goal was instead to start a conversation and get people thinking about content as an alternative. Were we bold and over the top in how we said it? Sure, but it got your attention didn&#8217;t it? Can you tell me you never thought about it, for a second, even if it was in an effort to disprove me?</p>
<p>Look at any report of online marketing spend growth compared to traditional media, and there are your numbers right there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketingvox.com/execs_unhappy_with_marketing_moving_spend_online-022016/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketingvox.com/execs_unhappy_with_marketing_moving_spend_online-022016/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.marketingcharts.com/interactive/study-conversational-marketing-to-become-the-mainstream-by-2012-2065/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketingcharts.com/interactive/study-conversational-marketing-to-become-the-mainstream-by-2012-2065/</a></p>
<p>Not to mention SEM spend has reached over $12 Billion for 2007.  Studies show that people trust organic results in search over paid 10 to 1&#8230;  This is a trend that has and will continue to grow. The numbers prove it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, your reference to generational differences is on-topic, but my reference to age is off-topic. Interesting. And, you're welcome for my finding the mis-spelling. My final point is this: if you're going to make grandiose pronouncements about things, provide some data or documentation that at least shows a trend in that direction. Otherwise, it's just talk and opinion, and that is what devalues the blogosphere and undermines the value of its content. Hey! Wouldn't that slow down the death of advertising?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, your reference to generational differences is on-topic, but my reference to age is off-topic. Interesting. And, you&#8217;re welcome for my finding the mis-spelling. My final point is this: if you&#8217;re going to make grandiose pronouncements about things, provide some data or documentation that at least shows a trend in that direction. Otherwise, it&#8217;s just talk and opinion, and that is what devalues the blogosphere and undermines the value of its content. Hey! Wouldn&#8217;t that slow down the death of advertising?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well we no doubt will have to agree to disagree,

While wisdom is no doubt valuable, and you sound older than me (although it doesn't sound like twice my age) I would advise to be careful not to get clouded judgement. Because people have said that traditional methods of advertising were on their way out before (hell at one point people thought that having a "brand" was dead, generics were going to win), doesn't mean that it is not the case and that it simply has not come true yet. The for sight to see where trends and changes occur before they do can mean the success or failure of a business (especially in one that changes as fast as yours, which I assume is web development NOT advertising). 

But my prediction is that when content becomes the replacement to advertising most of the big agencies will be out of business, and replaced by the ones who are already doing this type of advertising like critical mass, crayon, MS&#038;L, etc. Having been a part of two large, "traditional" agencies and see their struggle I can say that it is all eminent. All but a few simply have not reacted fast enough, and are too set in their ways and are losing business because of it. Lots of them are laying people off, and all new hires are expected to know and understand the interactive, social, and content space.

I welcome further discussion, hopefully on topic. Age and spelling don't really have anything to do with content vs push messaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we no doubt will have to agree to disagree,</p>
<p>While wisdom is no doubt valuable, and you sound older than me (although it doesn&#8217;t sound like twice my age) I would advise to be careful not to get clouded judgement. Because people have said that traditional methods of advertising were on their way out before (hell at one point people thought that having a &#8220;brand&#8221; was dead, generics were going to win), doesn&#8217;t mean that it is not the case and that it simply has not come true yet. The for sight to see where trends and changes occur before they do can mean the success or failure of a business (especially in one that changes as fast as yours, which I assume is web development NOT advertising). </p>
<p>But my prediction is that when content becomes the replacement to advertising most of the big agencies will be out of business, and replaced by the ones who are already doing this type of advertising like critical mass, crayon, MS&#038;L, etc. Having been a part of two large, &#8220;traditional&#8221; agencies and see their struggle I can say that it is all eminent. All but a few simply have not reacted fast enough, and are too set in their ways and are losing business because of it. Lots of them are laying people off, and all new hires are expected to know and understand the interactive, social, and content space.</p>
<p>I welcome further discussion, hopefully on topic. Age and spelling don&#8217;t really have anything to do with content vs push messaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta assume you are in your 20s, and I'm twice your age and probably suffering from an "I've heard this all before" brand of cynicism, but if a young person who was happy in advertising (indicative that we're not dealing with a deep thinker) came to me and asked if he/she should, as you suggest, quit their job in advertising because they heard advertising was dead, I'd tell them not only don't quit your job, but if you're any good at what you do, plan on a career in advertising. My prediction is that if blogging proves to be an economically viable alternative to advertising, and if you prove to be one of the thought leaders pushing that paradigm, some agency will throw money at you to join them and you will draw your paycheck from and advertising firm. BTW, I'm not in the advertising industry. Interesting assumption on your part. Also, on your website, if you're going to use huge all caps letters in your messaging, you oughta take a minute to check your spelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta assume you are in your 20s, and I&#8217;m twice your age and probably suffering from an &#8220;I&#8217;ve heard this all before&#8221; brand of cynicism, but if a young person who was happy in advertising (indicative that we&#8217;re not dealing with a deep thinker) came to me and asked if he/she should, as you suggest, quit their job in advertising because they heard advertising was dead, I&#8217;d tell them not only don&#8217;t quit your job, but if you&#8217;re any good at what you do, plan on a career in advertising. My prediction is that if blogging proves to be an economically viable alternative to advertising, and if you prove to be one of the thought leaders pushing that paradigm, some agency will throw money at you to join them and you will draw your paycheck from and advertising firm. BTW, I&#8217;m not in the advertising industry. Interesting assumption on your part. Also, on your website, if you&#8217;re going to use huge all caps letters in your messaging, you oughta take a minute to check your spelling.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah but the attention of consumers and the manufacturing of cars  or the cost savings of a paperless office are very different beasts. People may want to continue to push out traditional "paid announcements" but if it is ineffective, they will be forced to adapt or simply fail.

People don't have to chose what type of advertising they pay attention, they now have the very real ability consciously or subconsciously ignore it all. Are you suggesting that people are choosing to watch advertisements when they have the option of ignoring them simply because it is familiar?? Hardly seems realistic.

Don't forget that we are having a shifting of generations, as Gen Y and Millennials get older and command more buying power it will become more dramatic. These are the very people who hare already engrossed in the medias that encourage ad blindness. 

To assume the industry won't change when it has changed so dramatically in the last 5 years would be to assume that humans as a species don't change. Obviously this is not the case.

But this has been a wonderful conversation disagreement or not, thanks for the  response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah but the attention of consumers and the manufacturing of cars  or the cost savings of a paperless office are very different beasts. People may want to continue to push out traditional &#8220;paid announcements&#8221; but if it is ineffective, they will be forced to adapt or simply fail.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t have to chose what type of advertising they pay attention, they now have the very real ability consciously or subconsciously ignore it all. Are you suggesting that people are choosing to watch advertisements when they have the option of ignoring them simply because it is familiar?? Hardly seems realistic.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that we are having a shifting of generations, as Gen Y and Millennials get older and command more buying power it will become more dramatic. These are the very people who hare already engrossed in the medias that encourage ad blindness. </p>
<p>To assume the industry won&#8217;t change when it has changed so dramatically in the last 5 years would be to assume that humans as a species don&#8217;t change. Obviously this is not the case.</p>
<p>But this has been a wonderful conversation disagreement or not, thanks for the  response.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My participation may indicate the options have increased, but it does NOT indicate the demise of advertising. Reminds me of predictions in the early 60s that we'd all be driving hover cars by 2000, or predictions in the early 90s of paperless offices. I think you underestimate people's attachment to  the familiar and overestimate the transformative power of technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My participation may indicate the options have increased, but it does NOT indicate the demise of advertising. Reminds me of predictions in the early 60s that we&#8217;d all be driving hover cars by 2000, or predictions in the early 90s of paperless offices. I think you underestimate people&#8217;s attachment to  the familiar and overestimate the transformative power of technology.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah but Ray, isn't your participation in this conversation a perfect example of how things are changing? This situation right here, right now, could have played out much differently had it taken the venue of the tired, old, outdated advertising formats.

BlogFire the company could have run a 30 second commercial that you saw, disagreed with, maybe you would have visited our website, and then left. We would be none the wiser, you would not be engaged.

Instead you chose to participate, put a level of involvement and opinion into our outreach. Like it or not you are much more engaged than had we sent you the same message in between your favorite TV shows. You are much more likely to remember this site, this blog, this company.

We also learned valuable information, that some people are not ready or do not believe that advertising is on it's way out (even if it is not in the near future). We also learned that people in the industry don't trust people who claim to "get it." We can make a decision to alter our copy, or keep it as is for the reasons we originally wrote it as such.

So after all that, can you tell me how the 30 second spot is not arcane and outdated?  It may not go away in the next six months, but it is a matter of time. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah but Ray, isn&#8217;t your participation in this conversation a perfect example of how things are changing? This situation right here, right now, could have played out much differently had it taken the venue of the tired, old, outdated advertising formats.</p>
<p>BlogFire the company could have run a 30 second commercial that you saw, disagreed with, maybe you would have visited our website, and then left. We would be none the wiser, you would not be engaged.</p>
<p>Instead you chose to participate, put a level of involvement and opinion into our outreach. Like it or not you are much more engaged than had we sent you the same message in between your favorite TV shows. You are much more likely to remember this site, this blog, this company.</p>
<p>We also learned valuable information, that some people are not ready or do not believe that advertising is on it&#8217;s way out (even if it is not in the near future). We also learned that people in the industry don&#8217;t trust people who claim to &#8220;get it.&#8221; We can make a decision to alter our copy, or keep it as is for the reasons we originally wrote it as such.</p>
<p>So after all that, can you tell me how the 30 second spot is not arcane and outdated?  It may not go away in the next six months, but it is a matter of time. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For at least 12 years, I've heard various people in the advertising/marketing community talk about how other people "get it" or "don't get it." Most of the time these self-appointed (or self-annointed) "thought leaders" turn out to be no more prescient than most other people. As a result, when I hear someone talking about people who "get it" or don't, it raises a red flag. I'm not defending advertising or its permanence on the landscape, but the writer's premise is old; tired, even. Wishful thinking about the end of advertising doesn't amount to useful content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For at least 12 years, I&#8217;ve heard various people in the advertising/marketing community talk about how other people &#8220;get it&#8221; or &#8220;don&#8217;t get it.&#8221; Most of the time these self-appointed (or self-annointed) &#8220;thought leaders&#8221; turn out to be no more prescient than most other people. As a result, when I hear someone talking about people who &#8220;get it&#8221; or don&#8217;t, it raises a red flag. I&#8217;m not defending advertising or its permanence on the landscape, but the writer&#8217;s premise is old; tired, even. Wishful thinking about the end of advertising doesn&#8217;t amount to useful content.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.blogfirestudio.com/blog/advertising-is-dead-long-live-content/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, we are at a point in the industry where people's attention is extremely valuable.  Simply placing a message in front of them is no longer effective.  However the definition of advertising becomes very important in this situation, websters defines it as "paid announcements"." In which case free games or movies would not really be an advertisement in the traditional sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, we are at a point in the industry where people&#8217;s attention is extremely valuable.  Simply placing a message in front of them is no longer effective.  However the definition of advertising becomes very important in this situation, websters defines it as &#8220;paid announcements&#8221;.&#8221; In which case free games or movies would not really be an advertisement in the traditional sense.</p>
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